RESPONSES FROM: Meleenium2002
First off, let me start off by saying this is a more contraversial subject than it appears. Once I put this on my site or post this on a message board, I'm probably going to have zillions of people arguing with me.
This is about unrealism is fighting games. Of course, fighting games aren't supposed to be real. They're fake. They don't exist. The characters are all fantasy. However, video games are supposed to sweep us out of the real world, and make it seem as if the fantasy can be reality. And yet how can they, if it allows for massive unreality?
What is this about?
Chi fire and Chi electricity and Chi whatever, is accepted. It's chi. It's not the same as the actual thing. It just adds a bit of extra "umph" to attacks. However, this is not about chi.
This is about bone-breaking moves and just that: moves that break bones.
And the thing is: HOW CAN A PERSON STILL USE THOSE LIMBS AFTER THEY'RE BROKEN?!?!
Again, chi would be a logical explanation. The same thing which allows for fire and ice to be shot out of hands can repair a bone. But what if the person has NO chi?
Take Shingo, for an example. He cannot control fire, and even the KoF games say that Shingo is just a normal kid with no special abilities! No chi. No fire. No electricity. Just a normal kid.
Let's put poor Shingo up against Blue Mary. As many KoF gamers know, Blue Mary is well-taught in Commando Sambo, an art that has the user go into the body and start breaking bones. Mary does the Straight Slicer, and then the Crab Clutch follow-up. Bam. Shingo's leg is broken. Shingo just gets up and shrugs it off. HE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE STANDING!!! HIS FREAKIN' LEG IS BROKEN!!!
Now Mary does the Mary Spider on Shingo. Snap. Shingo's arm breaks. Shingo just gets up and shrugs it off, still bouncing his arm around. HIS ARM IS BROKEN, DANG IT!!! IT SHOULDN'T EVEN BE MOVING!!!
Mary does the Vertical Arrow, and follows up with a Mary Snatcher. Bam. Shingo's neck is broken. And yet he just gets up and shrugs it off. Uh... Hello? Does ANYONE at SNK know ANYTHING about the human body?!
If your neck gets broken, either you die, or you're paralized in your arms, legs, and torso. And yet we see Shingo, happily bouncing away in his fighting stance, neither dead nor paralized.
Even Leona with her Heart Stab throw, and Choi with his "drive his claws into your skull" throw and Chang's and Sakura's "skull crush" throws and T. Hawk's "break your neck" throw give great unrealism, and should by all means KILL a person!
Please keep in mind that Shingo is a NORMAL kid, with NO special abilities at all.
Now just think. Think about what I have put in your mind.
There are many other examples. The entire New Face team is composed of NORMAL people (Of course, when they aren't in their Orochi selves).
Even Blue Mary herself is a NORMAL person!
One thing that really set me off, however, is when Jhun Hoon wasn't included into KoF2001...guess why? Because he broke his arm. BIG FREAKIN' DEAL. HE HAD HIS ARM BROKEN BEFORE BY MARY, AND HE FOUGHT AS IF HIS ARM WAS PERFECTLY FINE. And yet, Playmore gives NO explanation whatsoever, and just us the lame "Duh...well...uh...he broke his arm" excuse.
This is very difficult to put into words, what I'm thinking...but hopefully (using the same thought process I used) I have put the same thoughts into our head as mine.
As I said before, I will probably get zillions of people saying at me "It's just a game, it's supposed to be unreal". And I agree. And yet, I also said before "However, video games are supposed to sweep us out of the real world, and make it seem as if the fantasy can be reality. And yet how can they, if it allows for massive unreality?"
I think the use of the abstract concept of "chi" in fighting games is in itself unrealistic and innacurate to ti-chi and oriental philosophy.
While I must say that is IS just a game, it is kinda unrealsitic. Take Tekken 4 for an even greater example. Yoshimitsu, for example, uses a katana in his attacks. In one of his attacks he draws his katana back and then stabs it into the enemy, doing major damage. Then in one of his throws he flips the enemy onto their back and stabs said katana into their chest. And then the opponent just gets up and keeps fighting as if nothing happened. Hello! Shouldn't they be dead?
It's also pretty unrealistic that the fighters die when a proverbial bar looses [sic] all of it's red part, instead of dying instantly by being hit in a voulnerable spot.
Actually, the only time fighters "die" is when they're hit with fatalities. The "lifebars" are actually "energy bars". Once it goes to zero, they are knocked out, hence the large "KO" that appears.
GAME GURU SAYS
Mortal Kombat is the perfect example of unrealism in fighting games.
GET OVER HERE!
...Dang it, Terri. I wish you wouldn't do that.
GAME GURU SAYS
Terri, why must you do an inane comment in a serious topic...
Actually, Terri's post is quite relevant, especially if you've played the Mortal Kombat games. "GET OVER HERE!" is what Scorpion says when he fires his hook into the enemy. ([Unrelated] Note: In the MK movie the hook was replaced with a weird snake thing.)
The point was that getting a hook shot through you would kill you.
Hm. I see.
Actually, if I remember correctly, about 3/4 of the Mortal Kombat cast were immortals...which just doesn't explain the fatalities.
[Of course, it's been a long time since I've last played the Mortal Kombat games, so I might be wrong, but the point is that there are immortals in the game, as well as the ability to kill your opponent. This just doesn't mix]
It could be explained. If you notice the normal non-lethal attacks, like Scorpion's hook, were piercing or otherwise. The lethal attacks either dismembered the enemy or blow off their skin, or steal their soul, or eat their flesh or whatever. The only exceptions are some of the arena-specific fatalities, such as the one that throws the enemy off the bridge and into ground miles below or the one that threw the enemy up into the spikes on the ceiling.
Aye, but immortals aren't supposed to be able to be killed--thus nulling the entire "fatal" concept.
I wasn't trying to make a point with that comment [HA!--Fury], but it IS strange that Scorpion's spear makes a hole in an opponent...and the hole immediately seals up.
Also, why do [mere] UPPERCUTS in Mortal Kombat games cause what seems like a gallon of blood to gush from a person's body?
ERIC MARRS SAYS
I'll never understand the thought process that goes into Mortal Kombat games.